New research suggests narcissistic, controlling bosses drive return-to-office mandates

lonetac · 2024-01-11T14:08:53-0500

PEnnn said:
As long as the job gets done, I (current manger) couldn't care less if they worked from a bordello and get it done.

Egocentric "managerial" dudes, lacking self respect but need to justify their jobs and salaries AND want to boss people around, wasting time with useless daily "briefings" are the problem, not the answer.

If every manager is capable and AND qualified AND knows more than their employees, I'd cut them some slack on the subject. But reality is, 90% of managers are dinosaurs who need employees in their crosshairs to feel important.

This is exactly it. Job performance is easy to measure when you arent completely incompetent and have a system to track performance such as objectives, goals and KPI's.

Our company was remote before covid even happened and we have like 15 years of continued revenue generating years not to mention we are one of the biggest financial companies in the globe.

We were successful remote even before covid. Its 100% culture and management ability to manage folks without staring over their shoulders pretending that brings value. Low performers get exposed quickly and dont last when you start looking at objectives and goals instead of "who is faking work" at the office.

I admit that some folks just dont like remote work and it doesnt work for them, sure. And it goes the other way too, some folks just dont work well in an office. I get 2-3x more done when I wfh compared to the office. I can get 8 hours of work done in like 4 hours when I dont have folks asking me to go grab a coffee every 10 minutes and gossip around the water fountain, extended lunches, fake cig breaks, etc.

If I can get the job done in 4 hours and meet my goals, nobody is hastling me if I take off early to hit a dr appointment or get some lunch. Performance speaks for itself.

trparky · 2024-01-11T16:16:03-0500

Karl Hungus said:
Spoken like someone who has never worked in an office with real people!

How can you do any kind of group coding when you're not all in the same room or at least in the same building? Just about everyone can see the quality of the code that Microsoft, Google, and Apple produces has seen a marked decrease in quality ever since working from home has become a thing. There have been a lot more bugs that have made it into the wild than anytime in the last five years.

The only conclusion that I can come to is that not being in the same room or building contributes to a lack of teambuilding which is leading to lack of good quality code. When you work as a team, you write better and less buggy code.

hwertz · 2024-01-11T18:01:33-0500

trparky said:
How can you do any kind of group coding when you're not all in the same room or at least in the same building? Just about everyone can see the quality of the code that Microsoft, Google, and Apple produces has seen a marked decrease in quality ever since working from home has become a thing. There have been a lot more bugs that have made it into the wild than anytime in the last five years.

The only conclusion that I can come to is that not being in the same room or building contributes to a lack of teambuilding which is leading to lack of good quality code. When you work as a team, you write better and less buggy code.

With all due respect Microsoft has had.. I'll say "hit and miss" code quality.. for decades. If you read anecdotes from those who have worked within Microsoft for decades, you have your highly talented developers who write high-quality code, and you have those who write hot garbage that (if it even barely works and there's not time to replace or improve it) ends up getting shipped that way anyway, and everything in between.

As a Linux fan, I can say that Win11 is a mess in terms of sticking ads and junk in the start menu and the phoning home to Microsoft/privacy perspective and the artificially high system requirements (TPM requirements in particular). BUT I see no indications of some decline in code quality, in fact it seems like (from a technical standpoint other than the above concerns) to me to be better than Win10 and even Windows 7.

And I can assure you, over the years Apple has shipped some flawed OSX versions; and some pretty bad errors in the previous macOS 8.x and 9.x back in the day. Even fixing some bugs in drivers (I recall a SCSI driver having bugs making it not work with tape drives -- admitedly an odd setup), probably not documenting WHY some fix was put in, so the bug fixes went away after some macOS update. So on that machine I simply couldn't update the OS (after a while I moved the whole tape backup setup to a different computer, this department had a nice budget so they had plenty of Macs to move it to.)

A Tabby Person · 2024-01-11T19:48:48-0500

trparky said:
People work together better when they're all in the same room.

Dare to disagree with me.

MTG. She would disagree with you too, just 'cause.

trparky · 2024-01-11T20:08:20-0500

hwertz said:
With all due respect Microsoft has had.. I'll say "hit and miss" code quality.. for decades. If you read anecdotes from those who have worked within Microsoft for decades, you have your highly talented developers who write high-quality code, and you have those who write hot garbage that (if it even barely works and there's not time to replace or improve it) ends up getting shipped that way anyway, and everything in between.

As a Linux fan, I can say that Win11 is a mess in terms of sticking ads and junk in the start menu and the phoning home to Microsoft/privacy perspective and the artificially high system requirements (TPM requirements in particular). BUT I see no indications of some decline in code quality, in fact it seems like (from a technical standpoint other than the above concerns) to me to be better than Win10 and even Windows 7.

And I can assure you, over the years Apple has shipped some flawed OSX versions; and some pretty bad errors in the previous macOS 8.x and 9.x back in the day. Even fixing some bugs in drivers (I recall a SCSI driver having bugs making it not work with tape drives -- admitedly an odd setup), probably not documenting WHY some fix was put in, so the bug fixes went away after some macOS update. So on that machine I simply couldn't update the OS (after a while I moved the whole tape backup setup to a different computer, this department had a nice budget so they had plenty of Macs to move it to.)

iOS 17 hasn't exactly been a shining example of Apple's prowess. Yes, it works. Could it be better? Oh hell yes! There are glaring bugs that although they're quality of life bugs, I'd still like them to be fixed. Dimming wallpaper and a snap-in like effect with the notifications are two such bugs that are outstanding bugs that are very much not up to the quality that many people, including myself, are used to seeing from Apple.

As for Windows 11, yes... it works, however it seems like every Patch Tuesday is like playing a game of Russian Roulette. So far I've not been bitten by any bugs that a lot of people complain about but I'm sure that one day I will. And believe you me, I will have my disk images ready in case that happens.

Again, these are both examples of Microsoft and Apple not putting out the quality that many people who have been around computers for 20+ years have come to expect from both of those companies.

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